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hello, i'm ros atkins, this is outside source live from berlin. angela merkel looks set for a fourth term as german chancellor, but it's her party's worst result in 70 years. translation: of course this shows we have not responded satisfactorily to the themes and situations that are important for the people. as party leader, i take my share of the responsibility. the spd of martin schulz also lose votes and are quick to announce they were quitting the grand coalition to head into opposition. the far right afd were the big winners, coming third in the polls. butjust a few hours later they were already squabbling amongst themselves. translation: it's been said the afd has become an anarchic party that could only be successful in opposition, not to govern. but i want to make real politics, so i've decided i will not be part of the afd in the bundestag. it isa
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it is a result that raises many questions are germany and the rest of the world. if you have a question about this, send it my way because we will be spending a whole hour on issues relating to the german election. we might be out of the studio, but you can still get in touch with me. #bbcos is the hashtag. hello, i'm ros atkins, welcome to outside source and welcome to berlin. there we were thinking that brexit, trump, macron and the last uk election had used up our quota of election surprises. far from it. this german election is a pivotal moment for the country. and the result packed several punches. this is it. angela merkel‘s christian democrats and its sister party too the largest share of the vote,k
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but this was their the worst result for almost 70 years. millions of voters walked away from the chancellor, some to the right wing nationalist party the alternative for germany. it will be in represented in parliament for the first time. on top of that the social democrats became the latest centre—left party in europe to take a beating. there was a time that the christian parties plus the social democrats could deliver 80% of the votes — no more. german politics is diversifying. chancellor merkel spoke earlier. translation: on the one hand, we have lost voters to the afd. of course, this shows we have not responded satisfactorily to the themes and situations that are important to the people. as party leader, i take my share of the responsibility. when outside source was in cologne two weeks ago we heard warnings that the two main parties were too close, that a general consensus on the main issues allowed them to be attacked as an out of touch amorphous political elite.
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the fact they were in coalition together made that easier still. martin schulz is the leader of the social democrats. he also spoke earlier, and acknowledged this problem. translation: this coalition lost 14% of its voters yesterday. i think it's clear from that the voters did not want to continuation of the coalition. therefore, in the current situation, the spd‘s role is to make the difference between the democratic right and the democratic left more visible. i have been fascinated by this issue. there was such an issue at the centre but it alienate its people? after a boring period of
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election campaigning, we are answering the interesting phase of the election campaign. you will now see what the parties have in mind. we will now see the open debate because the results for the afd forces the other parties to speak out publicly about what they call the truth, but to have an open dialogue on what this country is challenged by in the future. someone watching in the uk hasjust said, what does this mean for german politics? we could talk about it for the next hour, but what do you think are the main conclusions we can draw from this? it was a collective wake—up call for the from this? it was a collective wa ke—up call for the established parties to stop with their business as usual, this consensual style. we don't tackle and we don't discuss the urgent issues of the people on the urgent issues of the people on the streets. the unpleasantness that might be, we will bring the street
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into the parliament and force the others do have an open debate on the questions which are concerning the people. if it is refugees or migration. if it is the question of wealth spread and issues like that. quite often, not just wealth spread and issues like that. quite often, notjust in germany but in other countries, small parties do well at state level but struggle to perform at a national level. the afd doesn't appear to have had those problems? yes and no, they managed to get into some of the state parliaments, but they never really appeared as one party, from analytical point of view. the surprise this morning, the acting chairman just announced she will not belong to her party in the bundestag, which is quite a surprise. even her co—chairs did not know about it and everybody is
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wondering, what does this mean? is this more of a loose movement. we will get into more detail about that later. your chancellor is one of the most successful politicians of her generation. it is strange talking about her having a disappointing night? absolutely and she was honest when she stepped in front of the microphone is saying it was in her moment of celebration and i was at the headquarters and you could feel they came out as the strongest party, but there was kind of an atmosphere of concern. she is the first to address this so therefore my prediction is this will be her most challenging term as german chancellor. thank you very much. if you have any questions send them my way. you will also see the e—mail on the screen as well. we've certainly got time to analyse this result, the coalition government is unlikely to come quickly. it took over 80 days after the last election. but how it's made up
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will have a real impact on the policies the government can pursue at home and abroad. this is how things stand in the bundestag. remember the social democrats have ruled themselves out of forming a coalition government. that means the free democrats, in yellow, and the greens, in green are the most likely partners. and given the lack of a plan b, they have a lot of leverage too. both have setting out their stall. here are the greens, talking about the paris climate deal. translation: the main item that will keep the doors open to form a coalition is first of all climate protection. this is notjust some sort ofjoke we use to annoy people. it is the absolute issue regarding the existence of our planet. the free democrats have been
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kingmakers in many coalition governments in germany. this time they are talking tough and advertising their differences between the greens and the christian democrats. translation: the centre ground was vacant in the german parliament for the last four years. there was essentially no distinction between the cdu and the spd and the greens. that helped contribute to a new power arising at the extreme right of the political spectrum. now i was mentioning how a lack of a plan b could affect angela merkel‘s negotiating position. but this is the chancellor seeming to accept the deal with the social democrats is out of the question. translation: of course we are going to establish contact with the ftp but also with the green party and i add, with also the spd. it is important that germany has a stable and good government. i have heard and i have listened to the words coming from the spd,
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but we should still talk to them and this has been the unanimous opinion of the members of our party. let's speak to ria schroeder, incoming fdp mp. congratulations on your party's results. you'll have to talk the chancellor? yes, we are very pleased with the results, but they are very busy and interesting times. what do you want from the chancellor in exchange for coming into government? we are focusing on severe changes in terms of education, digitalisation. those are topics, immigration also, where we want something from the city, from the chancellor. i want
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the for 7 7 and refugees that came here integrated, egg—”5,23? f "sewed. language i “sewed. language and got the job, “sewed. language and got thejob, we to give them 1.7 to give them the . f to g them the chance to stay germany. them the chance to stay germany. doesn't e chance to stay germany. doesn't e chi already itay in germany. doesn't that already exist? not that much, it's not like a real immigration law. it is only small, kinds of different laws. we wa nt to small, kinds of different laws. we want to have a real law that welcomes, it invites people to come to germany. the french president, emmanuel macron, was very negative with the idea of your party working with the idea of your party working with angela merkel before the election just because he doesn't agree with your proposals, you don't
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wa nt agree with your proposals, you don't want a europe wide budget, will you hold to that position? we are a very pro—european party. it also means we wa nt pro—european party. it also means we want a reformed eu and an eu of the people. we have some ideas. for example, when it comes to european energy market, or in terms of defence, where we need to get together in europe. but i think having a shared budget is not the way to be a european union of the people and is not of big acceptance of the people of europe. have the christian democrats been in touch? not with me. i have been looking at the position your party holds, the position of the christian democrats and the position of the green party and the position of the green party and there are some big differences. will you be prepared to make
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compromises? in the past your party has made compromises and then you have been punished in the next by voters ? have been punished in the next by voters? german politics is about making compromises. what is important is we find similarities and in those parts where we don't ee, and in those parts where we don't agree, we have to make compromises, but not on topics like education, like digitalisation. we want real turnarounds like digitalisation. we want real turna rounds and if like digitalisation. we want real turnarounds and if we don't get them, we will not get into a coalition. stepping aside from party politics, when you saw the results come through, what was your reaction about what tells —— this tells us about what tells —— this tells us about your position? it is important for us especially when we look at the afd, who were rarely strong this time. iam the afd, who were rarely strong this time. i am happy we have a strong fraction of liberal democrats that will face those right—wing populists
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that are now in parliament and will fight them with arguments. thank you very much indeed. from the free democrats, one of the parties angela merkel is likely to have a conversation with. coalition building takes its time he in germany, so don't expect the big announcement tomorrow. with the last election, we had to wait 80 days before the government was confirmed. this is outside source live from berlin. our lead story is: angela merkel is set for a fourth term as german chancellor, but it's her party's worst result in 70 years. this is outside source live from berlin. our lead story is: angela merkel is set for a fourth term as german chancellor, but it's her party's worst result in 70 years. we are spending most of the programme talking german politics but there are many other stories we need to turn to. these are some of them. japan's prime minister, shinzo abe, has called a snap election, saying he needs a new mandate to deal with the growing threat from north korea.
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mr abe said he'd dissolve parliament on thursday. the announcement came hours after the governor of tokyo announced she would lead a new national political party. the united states has expanded its controversial travel ban to include visitors from north korea, venezuela and chad. president trump said his top priority was making america safe. it's the third update on a ban that has triggered fierce legal battles over immigration and discrimination a dog has been found alive in the rubble of last week's earthquake in mexico city. the rescue was a glimmer of hope for mexicans as search and rescue operations concentrate on ten sites in the capital. the dog was checked by red cross paramedics at the site and rescuers hope to reunite him with his family the fourth round of brexit talks are taking place in brussels. here's the uk's david davis and the eu's michel barnier a couple of hours ago.
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the teams are hoping for a breakthrough after uk prime minister's speech in florence on friday— when she agreed to a two year transition period. here's michel barnier‘s reaction to that. the european union is keen and eager to understand better how the uk government will translate the prime minister's speech into negotiating positions. this is essential and would enable us to advance this week, i hope and make real progress over the coming months. the brexit secretary david davis had this message. the uk is absolutely committed to work through the detail. we are laying out concrete proposals and there are no excuses for standing in the way of progress.
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it will take pragmatism on both sides to make headway and i hope we can achieve that this week. chris morris is in brussels. did may's speech make a difference? it changed the mood music. i spoke to several european ministers here in brussels and they set the tone of the speech in florence was welcome. but on substance, the problem remains. the eu says it needs more detail. michel barnier said we cannot discuss a transition period formally until we have resolved the financial settlement, eu citizens‘ rights and the irish border. the three things they have been trying
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to discuss throughout the summer. as you heard from david davies, we have put forward concrete proposals, they we re put forward concrete proposals, they were in the prime minister‘s speech and further delay would be unacceptable. they have been more pragmatic. they wouldn‘t use the word can section, but be more flexible on the european side and they are wanting a little bit more in return. in terms of what they will be specifically negotiating this week, do we get an hour by hour update? we don't know, it goes for a couple of days in the middle before a press c0 nfe re nce couple of days in the middle before a press conference and other briefing happens on thursday. we know there are working groups focusing on the money. there is a working group focused in particular on the rights of eu citizens in the uk and uk citizens in the rest of europe after brexit. how their rights are legally enforce. and there is a coordinating committee which is looking at this very tricky
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issue at the irish border. david davis has said we cannot sort out the money until we know what our long—term future partnership looks like. this is a problem, these are more than slightly different negotiating tactics. it is a fundamentally different weight of a looking at the way these talks should be sequenced and that is more difficult than everyone thought. jeremy watching the bbc news channel in nottingham is saying, do you think the likely coalition in germany will be good news for the uk's germany will be good news for the uk‘s brexit negotiations? germany will be good news for the uk's brexit negotiations?” germany will be good news for the uk's brexit negotiations? i remember covering the german election four yea rs covering the german election four years ago and just like this, there was an election in late september and the government was informed until the 17th of december. so we won‘t know for a while. if it emerges angela merkel feels weaker, that isn‘t necessarily a good thing for the brexit negotiations, because it means she will need to look
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inwards, guarding her own back rather than looking out towards the united kingdom. i don‘t think it will change an awful lot. i think the view from david davis and others that once the german election is over and the germans get stuck in. no sign that will happen, but no signs it will make things a lot worse either. chris, thanks very much. jeremy, thanks for the question. immigration was the number one issue in this election. primarily because of angela merkel‘s decision to open adopt anopen border policy in 2015. many came from syria, iraq, afghanistan and eritrea. across 2015 and 2016, germany took in more than one million migrants. there was polling to suggest that angela merkel had ridden out the political impact of the decision. it seems not. a poll from the german state broadcaster found tha 89% of afd voters thought that decision by angela merkel ignored the concerns of ordinary voters.
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85% said they wanted stronger national border. stronger national borders. julia ebner, institute for strategic dialogue. she has spent a lot of time looking at the afd. a few viewers asking us should we be scared or worried about this organisation? in many ways, yes. this is the first time in post—war history in germany we see an ultra—nationalist far right party entering the band a slack. there are worries the afd has been catering to a certain audience that was more extreme than the afd‘s official campaign has shown. we have seen from some of the messages that have been leaked from their internal discussions, what the real afd is
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hiding behind a politically correct more cover, also reveals. your point being, what we see on the television doesn‘t match what we see online? what we see on the television has already hinted at some anti—immigrants, far right rhetoric, but what we see in some of the channels we have been monitoring at the institute for strategic dialogue, is that there is more extreme rhetoric behind—the—scenes and that this something that is worrying, especially in the context of germany. where are you seeing that? the fact afd factions, many leading party members hold an account on the ultra—white twitter account on the ultra—white twitter account is where racism posts are being spoken, is alarming. they have
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supported and recognised there are some fringe movements on the very extreme right that have helped their campaigns, that have pushed actively motivated voters to go into these... they afd might say we can‘t control who pushes our message online? they are not in full control of that, but the topics they have stressed and the topics they have stressed and the audiences they have catered to and also some of the context they have shared our coming from these extreme corners and that is something we have do recognise in this debate surrounding the afd that what lies in their support base, might be more extreme than what we see on tv. should acknowledge the main party has simply use digital
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media, social media more effectively than some of the other german parties that didn‘t enjoy this result? this is one of our top findings that afd and the whole organic grassroots support base in this campaign have surpassed all other parties in this online conquest of the online space. they have taken over the entire social media space and there hasn‘t been a single day in the last two weeks when afd wasn‘t in the top two trending hash tags. when you look at this activity, is it only german activity or are other countries getting involved? we see cross—border cooperation in europe. we saw in this afd campaign, some of the grassroots supporters have been teaming up with the same people who
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we re teaming up with the same people who were behind trump‘s campaigning. they have used the same manipulation and media warfare using twitter, social media to disrupt the elections. thank you forjoining us. we live here in berlin responding to a pivotal german election result. keep your questions coming we have further coverage coming in a few minutes time. over the last few days, temperatures have been exceptional on the eastern side of the united states and eastern canada, into the low 30 celsius. a lovely early autumn there. a line of heavy thunderstorms have been affecting the central plains down towards texas. you can see hurricane maria swelling out on
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the eastern seaboard and across the west there is plenty of sunshine but cooler than of late. across the west coast of mexico, this was tropical depression and will bring heavy rain to the north—west coast and we could see a risk of flooding and landslides. there is a suspect area of thunderstorms of the mexico, guatemala coast which could develop into a tropical or later in the week. hurricane maria was downgraded toa week. hurricane maria was downgraded to a category one storm, moving away from the caribbean, swelling in the waters of the eastern seaboard and could bring some big waves here for a time and by thursday it will be pushed out into wards the central atla ntic pushed out into wards the central atlantic away from the states. something we have seen over the last 24, 1:8 something we have seen over the last 2a, 48 hours over the south china sea, an area of heavy rain pushing into the north of vietnam and south china. this was hit by a typhoon just over a week ago. it brought a
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lot of rain on already very saturated ground. we could see some flooding issues in the next 12 hours. across southeast asia, drier air has been pushing across the north so dry across tuesday but across the south we could see some monsoons and downpours here and the risk of flooding and on and into wednesday. intense thunderstorms across parts of italy, the adriatic and into the balkans and warnings in force across parts of greece as low pressure continues to move east. the tuesday, the eastern mediterranean, gorgeous beach weather and the same for southern turkey but the north—east of greece into wards bulgaria could see violent storms and the risk of flooding. more storms pushing into the western side of italy, but italy will have some sunshine through tuesday afternoon. spain and portugal, dry, sunny and hot across the south and for the ca nary islands, pleasantly hot across the south and for the canary islands, pleasantly warm with
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temperatures around 30. closer to home, we are in between weather systems for tuesday. high pressure to the eastern low—pressure to the west. it will feel warm where you get the sunshine. we start tuesday and a grey note with mist and merc with fog. it promises to be a better afternoon with drier and some sunshine breaking through the cloud. you can see a uk weather forecast here in around half an hour. hello, i‘m ros atkins, this is outside source live from berlin. we are not too used to seeing angola merkel and the back foot but that‘s what she is at the moment. angela merkel looks set for a fourth term as german chancellor — but it‘s her party‘s worst result in 70 years. the spd of martin schulz also lose votes and are quick to announce they were quitting the grand coalition to head into opposition. the far right afd were the big winners — coming third in the polls. butjust a few hours later
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they were already squabbling amongst themselves.
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